Chat log between Vince and Shimizu

[15:38:47] Vince: haiii
[15:38:59] Shimizu: Is it midnight already?
[15:39:12] Vince: ahh haha no no
[15:39:12] Vince: 10:40pm
[15:39:18] Vince: 22:40
[15:39:18] Shimizu: ah~~ ok ok
[15:39:22] Shimizu: that's a releif
[15:39:25] Shimizu: well,
[15:39:37] Shimizu: I was thinking about starting a new business after coming back to Japan.
[15:39:47] Vince: ahh great!
[15:39:53] Vince: please tell me about it~
[15:39:55] Shimizu: Next time, I want to go to another industry like travelling.
[15:39:58] Shimizu: oh yeah yeah,
[15:40:15] Shimizu: As you told me often, travelling business might be nice.
[15:40:15] Vince: ahh interesting!
[15:40:17] Shimizu: Oh yeah,
[15:40:24] Vince: yes I think so!
[15:40:29] Shimizu: because it's about international exchange.
[15:40:31] Shimizu: oh yeah.
[15:40:39] Shimizu: My goal is international friendship.
[15:40:54] Shimizu: So maybe it's good for me to practice travelling business.
[15:41:21] Shimizu: Like indivisual tour guid for English speakers.
[15:42:02] Vince: well can I tell you about what I think our future is?
[15:42:06] Shimizu: Or, SNS to match supply and demand of individual tour guids who speak English.
[15:42:11] Shimizu: oh yeah please!
[15:42:15] Vince: well,
[15:42:20] Vince: I think recently
[15:42:22] Shimizu: our means my and your?
[15:42:27] Shimizu: yeah
[15:42:28] Vince: well yes
[15:42:32] Vince: and some others close to us.
[15:42:46] Vince: recently (within the past 1 year maybe..)
[15:42:57] Shimizu: ah~~ i see
[15:43:00] Vince: we have created a foundation I believe
[15:43:14] Shimizu: oh fundation like a group?
[15:43:18] Vince: a desire to create and develop a new idea
[15:43:27] Shimizu: oh yeah
[15:43:27] Vince: ahh foundation like a struture here
[15:43:28] Vince: like a house
[15:43:33] Shimizu: ah~~~
[15:43:34] Shimizu: I see,
[15:43:35] Vince: we have created a good foundation
[15:43:42] Vince: that requires time for us to develo[
[15:43:45] Shimizu: Ah have we?
[15:43:46] Vince: develop*
[15:44:11] Vince: but I think in time as we gain new experiences and meet new people - we will further develop our ideas and understandings
[15:44:42] Shimizu: oh?
[15:44:52] Shimizu: Could you explain more concretely?
[15:45:15] Vince: of course
[15:45:22] Shimizu: thanks :)
[15:45:23] Vince: what I mean by foundation is that,
[15:45:31] Shimizu: oh yeah
[15:45:33] Vince: we both have talked about ideas for new businesses
[15:45:40] Vince: or things we want to do in life
[15:45:45] Shimizu: ah~~~~~~~~~ yeah yeah
[15:45:50] Vince: and i think this is the foundation
[15:46:13] Vince: as we learn more and more, we develop skills to make our dreams become reality
[15:46:23] Vince: closer to our goal
[15:47:26] Shimizu: ohh yeah yeah!
[15:47:40] Shimizu: Right now we're learning different things,
[15:47:47] Vince: right!
[15:47:55] Shimizu: but we're getting close to a shared goal, right?
[15:47:57] Vince: this group you have created is also great~~
[15:48:04] Vince: yes! I think so
[15:48:07] Shimizu: ah~~~
[15:48:19] Shimizu: The group is International Business Meeting Room?
[15:48:25] Vince: right
[15:48:28] Shimizu: oh I see.
[15:48:34] Vince: many people can add new ideas
[15:48:43] Shimizu: yeah yeah, I think so too.
[15:48:48] Vince: and they can critique ideas too
[15:49:33] Shimizu: oh yeah,
[15:49:54] Shimizu: by critiquing them we can improve them. :)
[15:50:43] Vince: right!
[15:50:55] Vince: it is important to have people who will not always agree with you :)
[15:51:52] Shimizu: ah~~~~ Oh yeah!
[15:52:11] Shimizu: That's why you don't mind my disaggreeing with you sometimes.
[15:52:29] Vince: right
[15:52:40] Vince: in fact - I am a little happy when you disagree
[15:52:47] Shimizu: ahahhaha
[15:52:51] Shimizu: Really!?
[15:52:57] Vince: to me it tells me you value our conversation
[15:53:05] Vince: yes!! Think about it
[15:53:11] Shimizu: ahah ok ok
[15:53:12] Vince: somebody you don't know will
[15:53:15] Vince: will always smile
[15:53:16] Shimizu: ah
[15:53:18] Vince: and agree with you
[15:53:21] Vince: a true friend
[15:53:26] Shimizu: ah~~~
[15:53:30] Vince: will tell you when you are wrong (bow)
[15:54:01] Shimizu: oh yeah,
[15:54:14] Shimizu: I would be happy to be told when I'm wrong. :)
[15:54:24] Vince: :)
[15:54:41] Vince: I respect you alot Shimizu :)
[15:54:47] Vince: haha I have known you for some time now!
[15:54:50] Shimizu: And it would be better if the friend tells me gently and softly, haha.
[15:54:57] Shimizu: ohhh thanks
[15:55:03] Shimizu: Oh yeah, me too,
[15:55:14] Shimizu: I have know you quite a long time.
[15:55:37] Vince: (handshake)
[15:55:49] Vince: yes I would always tell you respectfully if I do not agree
[15:57:53] Shimizu: OK, please,
[15:57:58] Shimizu: thanks.
[15:58:49] Vince: I wanted to ask you 2 questions
[15:59:33] Shimizu: oh yep!
[16:00:00] Vince: ok, about what I said earlier about Dung's idea for the japanese portal
[16:00:33] Vince: do you also think it will be helpful to use this as maybe a test?
[16:00:38] Shimizu: ah~~~
[16:00:44] Vince: to see how a possible larger SNS service might work
[16:01:19] Shimizu: oh yeah, it might be a good test to investigate if SNS service works well for foreigners.
[16:01:28] Shimizu: But I think there are two key points -
[16:01:48] Shimizu: how to let people konw the service? and how to get money from the service?
[16:02:08] Shimizu: If good ideas are made for that, I'd like to test it.
[16:02:11] Shimizu: What do you think?
[16:02:38] Vince: ahh yes
[16:02:43] Vince: good thinking! I think that will be very importnat
[16:02:55] Shimizu: ohhhh thanks!
[16:04:14] Vince: (clap)
[16:04:28] Shimizu: (blush)
[16:05:00] Vince: the other question
[16:05:07] Shimizu: oh yeah
[16:05:29] Vince: ahh I have forgotten the second question!
[16:05:37] Vince: (sweat) haha one moment
[16:06:31] Shimizu: ahahha ok ok
[16:06:32] Shimizu: well,
[16:06:44] Vince: it was dealing with the outcome of this group i think..
[16:07:13] Shimizu: Do you yourself think you want to carry out Dung's idea?
[16:07:38] Shimizu: ah~~
[16:07:47] Shimizu: the outcome of this group.
[16:07:52] Vince: actually I also wondered, if I come to japan, if we can meet
[16:08:01] Vince: if many of the members can meet
[16:08:03] Vince: ahh
[16:08:04] Shimizu: Yeah you told me you wanted to do some action as the goal of this group.
[16:08:07] Vince: I don't want to carry it out myself
[16:08:22] Vince: I would like to play a part :)
[16:08:36] Shimizu: ah~~ I see, :)
[16:08:47] Shimizu: Sorry what I wanted to ask you was,
[16:09:35] Shimizu: No matter whether you play by yourself or a part, do you think Dung's idea should be carried out?
[16:10:16] Vince: ahhhhhh
[16:10:18] Shimizu: You aksed me whether it should be done or not,
[16:10:22] Vince: right~
[16:10:25] Shimizu: and I answered it depends,
[16:10:30] Shimizu: and what do you think about it?
[16:10:41] Vince: well I think I partially agree with you yes
[16:10:48] Shimizu: ahhh ok ok
[16:10:53] Vince: I think more that it should be done
[16:11:05] Vince: just because it is a good test
[16:11:48] Vince: also because I think it its a good opportunity to try an idea
[16:11:52] Vince: and see how it works
[16:12:06] Shimizu: ah~~ I seeeee
[16:12:50] Shimizu: So maybe I and Dung should deepen this idea and investigate competition more.
[16:14:12] Vince: right
[16:15:11] Vince: good idea
[16:18:00] Shimizu: yep.
[16:18:02] Shimizu: Well,
[16:18:29] Vince: oh I wanted to note one thing
[16:18:30] Shimizu: Do you know Hamed sent email to the group?
[16:18:32] Vince: yes
[16:18:40] Shimizu: Ah i see.
[16:18:44] Shimizu: note one thing?
[16:18:56] Vince: yes
[16:19:13] Vince: I disagree a little that the most important reason for doing business is earning money
[16:19:59] Shimizu: ohhhhhhhhhhh
[16:20:04] Shimizu: that's very important!
[16:20:07] Shimizu: oops sorry,
[16:20:11] Shimizu: i mistyped
[16:20:16] Shimizu: That's very interesting!
[16:20:20] Shimizu: haha
[16:20:29] Vince: but I think more important that that - is a dream or desire that a person has
[16:20:32] Vince: for example
[16:20:53] Vince: for me - I want to create a business that brings people around the world together
[16:20:54] Shimizu: oh yeah
[16:21:00] Vince: and I would love to meet more and more people
[16:21:24] Vince: and see many things - but it is more about the human element than the money element
[16:21:28] Shimizu: ohh yeahh
[16:21:44] Shimizu: Ah I see,
[16:22:08] Shimizu: you want bring people around the world and see people in the world. I feel the same.
[16:22:41] Shimizu: The point was what I wanted to talk about in this group. :)
[16:22:47] Vince: :)
[16:23:10] Shimizu: For what do we do business and for what does money exist?
[16:23:14] Shimizu: Something like that.
[16:23:33] Vince: ahh right
[16:24:00] Vince: it is like - what are we trying to do? Why are we trying to do this? Can we be successful doing this?
[16:24:01] Vince: like this?
[16:24:21] Shimizu: I think we need food, a place to live, cloth to wear and so earn moeny, you know?
[16:24:31] Vince: right :)
[16:24:38] Shimizu: ah~~~~ yeah, just like that.
[16:25:13] Shimizu: I have radical questions recently like that.
[16:25:27] Vince: ah really?
[16:25:43] Shimizu: yeah yeah,
[16:26:26] Shimizu: so in order to go to the next step of my second starting-up-business, I need to solve these questions.
[16:26:36] Vince: I think that is very good to address these questions
[16:27:26] Shimizu: Before I came to NZ, I thought I love computer but when I got an environment where I can use it 24 hours a day 7 days, I was bored of it and found I prefer a tast to talk with people.
[16:27:37] Shimizu: Yeah I want to address them.
[16:27:54] Vince: you seek the interface
[16:30:11] Shimizu: oh interface?
[16:30:25] Shimizu: It means medium, doesn't it?
[16:30:32] Vince: right
[16:30:43] Vince: between IT and the poeple
[16:31:00] Shimizu: ohhhhh
[16:31:31] Shimizu: Ah, that's not what I think are radical questions,
[16:31:47] Shimizu: but I also seek the interface between IT and the people.
[16:32:17] Shimizu: The interface is business itself instead of a radical attitude to business, isn't it?
[16:33:14] Vince: well there can be more than one interface
[16:33:24] Vince: but I think I understand what your saying
[16:33:58] Shimizu: Ah thanks. :)
[16:34:21] Vince: (bow)
[16:42:47] Shimizu: OK, I'll go for a walk on the beach.
[16:43:03] Shimizu: Good night!